ANY INSIGHTS YET?
THE PODCAST
SEASON 2
Episode 1
Going Cowboy and Being Bluntly Honest With Gordy Sang & Brian Siedband at Quality Meats Creative
Episode Description:
The best work in advertising doesn’t just stand out—it challenges the status quo.
And that’s exactly what Gordy Sang and Brian Siedband do with every client and every campaign at Quality Meats. Whether they’re working on a GoDaddy spot for the Big Game or a provocative box of chocolates for U by Kotex, Gordy and Brian (and their distributed team of strategists and creatives) always bring an unexpected twist to their creations, sparking conversations, and getting people to say, “I can’t believe they did that!”
Their “going cowboy” approach is one of the many reasons they’ve been racking up awards, including Adweek’s 2024 Small Agency of the Year award and A-List Standout and AdAge’s Small Agency of the Year, and in this conversation, you get a peek inside their process.
While they’re both quick to say they don’t have a ton of business acumen, they’re clearly doing something right, because a lot of businesses are lining up to do business with them, including Regal Cinemas, Doordash, Saxx Underwear, and Cava, just to name a few.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
Their approach to breaking rules and telling stories with a twist.
How being bluntly honest with German Doner Kebab led to a different campaign approach in the US.
The Huggies diaper innovation that led to a simple, yet catchy song (and several innovative campaign extensions).
Their attention-getting Valentine’s work for U by Kotex to help normalize periods
Why they believe the big idea isn’t dead.
Episode 2
Fighting Invisibility & Finding Emotional Truths with John Gibson, Head of Strategy at The Martin Agency
Episode Description:
Despite the billions of dollars spent on advertising every year, most ads go completely unnoticed. In fact, 85% of them don’t even hit the minimum threshold for attention. So how do you make it into the 15% that actually break through?
John Gibson, Head of Strategy at The Martin Agency, has spent his career answering that question, helping brands fight invisibility by uncovering complex emotional truths.
For Papa John’s, that meant moving beyond “better ingredients” to tap into something far more powerful—people’s deep, almost cult-like devotion to pizza. For OREO, it meant elevating a product ritual in something more emotive and universal. And for Mountain Dew? It meant going deep into the world of sleep to see if creativity could be sparked in the subconscious mind.
Throughout our conversation, John shares stories about the strategic decisions that led to these aha moments, and how The Martin Agency’s culture of curiosity consistently fuels big ideas.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
The unexpected pizza rituals that inspired a fresh approach for Papa John’s
The story behind OREO Grams and the Lady Gaga partnership
How the challenger brand Unisom was able to “punch above their weight” in a crowded, competitive market
One of John’s favorite words and how it influences his approach to building great work
The advice John received early on in his career about creative briefs
Episode 3
Connecting the Dots Between Marketing and Murder with Alina Burroughs, Forensic Expert from Crime Scene Confidential
Episode Description:
What do forensic science and marketing have in common? More than you might think.
Both require an ability to analyze evidence, challenge assumptions, and uncover hidden truths that are often hiding in plain sight.
Alina Burroughs, a forensic expert and star of the hit show Crime Scene Confidential, has spent years piecing together clues to solve cases, and as it turns out, many of those same techniques can also be applied to marketing.
In this episode, Alina reveals how marketers and CSIs are both after the same thing - understanding motivations and finding the right guy (or gal). She also points out how forensic tools like “presumptive tests” can be used to help marketers make smarter decisions before going all in on an idea.
Throughout our conversation, Alina shares real-world crime scene stories that demonstrate the power of looking beyond the obvious and why it’s critical to challenge our own beliefs if we want to get to those breakthrough moments.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
How crime scene investigators fight cognitive bias and why marketers should do the same
The surprising role that gut instinct plays in forensic work and brand strategy
What a “skin glove” is (warning: it’s both fascinating and unsettling)
The importance of marketing from the outside in instead of inside out
Why saying the “stupid” thing out loud can sometimes lead to the smartest insights
Episode 4
Bending Reality with Greg Hahn at Mischief @ No Fixed Address
Episode Description:
Greg Hahn has built his career on reframing questions and seeing things just a little bit differently.
Actually, that’s an understatement.
Before launching Mischief, Greg spent almost 20 years at some of the biggest and most celebrated agencies in the business, including Fallon and BBDO, where he led creative for brands like Timberland, Citibank, HBO, eBay, FedEx, and more. Along the way, he helped create some of the most awarded campaigns in modern advertising—work that not only racked up Cannes Lions and One Show pencils, but also embedded itself into culture in a way that made those brands unignorable.
When Greg was unexpectedly let go from BBDO New York in 2020 due to budget cuts, it didn’t take long for him to start Mischief @ No Fixed Address. In two months, he created a new shop “where people - both employees and clients - could come and do the best work of their lives, with less layers, pretense and other unnecessary complications.”
Since then, Greg and his team have helped businesses across multiple categories.
When Tinder came to Mischief hoping to shed its reputation as a hookup app, Greg and his team challenged them with a provocative reframing. When Pizza Hut wanted to appeal to job-seeking Gen Zers, Mischief turned the pizza box into a résumé delivery system. And when Goldfish crackers wanted to appeal to adults, Greg and his team landed on a simple, but effective fix.
Ask Greg a question about Capri Sun and you might end up talking about Banksy, Andy Warhol, or Duchamp. Or you might discover his passion for crime shows, data, and the interesting differences between Saxon words and Romance words.
That said, no matter where you start with Greg, you’ll always find your way back to a clear-eyed understanding of a brand’s core business problem and a clever, creative path that’s going to get you where you need to go.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
The way Mischief does briefings differently compared to other agencies
How an OkCupid data point about voting turned into a viral campaign (and even led to a clue on the show Jeopardy!)
The role of social listening when it comes to their creative process for Tubi and other brands
What Greg’s job selling aluminum siding taught him about himself
Some advice that Greg received from David Lubars during his time at BBDO
Episode 5
Why Data Isn’t Truth: Finding Clarity in the Chaos with Tim Wilson & Valerie Kroll of Facts & Feelings
Episode Description:
In a world obsessed with big data, robust dashboards, and faster answers, what if the real insight about insights has to do with slowing down and making real connections?
That’s how Tim Wilson and Valerie Kroll approach each project, working with organizations to help them rethink their approach to data analytics and consumer insights. Over the years, their facts & feelings approach has made a huge impact on a wide variety of brands, including Yoplait, Time Warner, Adobe, P&G, Purell, Marriott, Lysol, and more.
Instead of more data, they suggest using less data, informed by better questions and smarter conversations. And even though they have a data-driven approach, they never discount the power of observation or instinct to help uncover those aha moments.
With a unique blend of quantitative expertise and qualitative intuition, Tim and Val approach data less like a crystal ball and more as a conversation starter.
Because when you stop chasing “perfect data” and start looking at the bigger picture, you’ll often find fresh angles and new opportunities for growth.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
The power of doing a pre-mortem when kicking off a project
The surprising focus group conversation that led to a breakthrough innovation for Yoplait
How a failed “chunky bracelet” for Lysol inspired a successful Purell product idea
The two “magic” questions they like to ask clients to help set everyone up for success
The jobs they had before facts & feelings that have helped them become more detail-oriented, compassionate storytellers
Episode 6
Reading Between the Lines with Bob Morais, Business Anthropologist & Lecturer at Columbia Business School
Episode Description:
Great research isn’t just about collecting answers. It’s about knowing which questions to ask and how to observe with all your senses to get to the truth of a situation.
Bob Morais, business anthropologist, ethnographer, and lecturer at Columbia University’s Business School, knows how to read between the lines of what people say and what they actually do, and in this conversation, Bob shares his techniques for consistently finding those aha moments that can help a brand soar.
Over the years, Bob has set up some fascinating research methodologies for a wide variety of emerging and established brands, including Sensodyne, Freshpet, WD-40, and Simply Orange, just to name a few.
And in every case, Bob has helped those brands uncover what their customers really need, not just what they say they want.
Together, we dig into the key differences between a flat-footed finding and an actual insight, and we talk about the importance of “presentation theater.”
Bob also shares his perspective on AI as a research assistant, and why he believes the human element in ethnography is still irreplaceable.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
Bob’s aha moment that led to a multimillion-dollar product innovation for WD-40
An unexpected, eye-opening experience during a research project at the Plaza Hotel that helped crystallize the idea of luxury
The power of research techniques like laddering and guided retrospection
How to sell ethnography projects to clients who want everything “buttoned up”
The unexpected ways that playing lead guitar in different rock bands prepared Bob for life in strategy and research
Episode 7
Why Chaos and Sarcasm Are Essential for Strategic Insights with Tracy Lovatt at Batten & Co
Episode Description:
For over two decades, Tracy Lovatt has helped brands build transformative insights by challenging assumptions and embracing the chaos of tectonic cultural shifts.
After starting her career at BBDO, where she guided brands like HBO, GE, Bank of America, Hyatt Hotels, PepsiCo and many others, Tracy eventually stepped away from advertising to start Batten & Co, where she now helps brands connect the dots between insights, operations, and the customer experience.
In this episode, Tracy talks about the power of sarcasm to disarm people and she shares her candid approach to uncovering insights that matter.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
The surprisingly different ways men and women talk about engagement rings
The power of deprivation studies to get consumers to open up emotionally
What she’s learned from the Medicis when it comes to inspiration and new ideas
The surprising impact a British accent can have in American boardrooms
A memory she had of our first encounter (that made me blush)
Episode 8
Semiotics, Subtext, and Strutting with Joe Burns at Quality Meats Creative
Episode Description:
Joe Burn has done a LOT of award-winning strategy work, including but not limited to brand strategy, creative strategy, communications strategy, and design strategy.
And it’s these diverse experiences in strategy that have helped Joe connect the dots in the most interesting and unexpected ways for brands like KFC, Heineken, Samsung, Puma, Amnesty International, Benecol, Meta, and more.
But Joe doesn’t just have a passion for strategy and insights. His infatuation with typography, semiotics, and food history helps him become an integral part of the strategic-creative somersault that leads to successful campaigns.
In this episode, Joe shares a lot of ideas and inspiration, including his favorite songs for tapping into his subconscious mind and how a line from Bart Simpson influenced the insight for an entire campaign.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
An insight for Samsung that led NOT to an ad, but to an awesome music video
Joe’s unique approach to winning new business pitches
Why bad ideas are essential to creative success
How his job as a garbage collector shaped his perspective on advertising
A piece of advice from Sun Tzu that has influenced his work with clients and creatives
Episode 9
Building Flywheels and Fandoms with Zoe Scaman at Bodacious
Episode Description:
Zoe Scaman knows how to rebuild brands and fandoms from the ground up.
Her work with brands like Nike, Netflix, and the NBA has allowed her to dig deep into consumer behavior and organizational structures, resulting in numerous aha moments around community building and how to encourage a culture of co-creation with brand superfans.
Zoe builds a number of beautiful constellations during our conversation as she connects the dots between furries, sports fans, and political communities. We also talk about Lego’s incredibly expanding brand universe and how brands can leverage the flywheel effect to create exponential growth.
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
The provocative question Zoe asked in middle school when she was asked to re-read Lord of the Flies
The ways Zoe uses AI to help her gut check her own work
How brands can learn from furries to create a sense of belonging
The biggest (often invisible) enemy of progress in any organization
Zoe’s favorite word and why she thinks more people need to use it more often
Episode 10
Taking the Piss and Turning LOLers into Dollars with Dave Harland, Chief Copywriter at Copy or Die
Episode Description:
Dave Harland LOVES words. Big ones. Little ones. Silly ones. Serious ones.
He has a talent for taking the world’s most boring categories and breathing new life into them with a few flourishes of his pen and some rat-tat-tat-clickety-clacks at his keyboard.
During our conversation, we dig into all kinds of things, including the micro dignities of daily life that are threatened by automation and generative AI, as well as the unmistakable human quirks that make insight building and copywriting an act of creative joy.
We also connect the dots between The Knowledge of London (the rigorous exam that London Cabbies must pass to show they know their way around the city without a map) and the cultural tension between British formality and British humor (e.g. taking the piss).
Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:
The scrappy, homemade billboard that taught Dave his first big lesson in strategic copywriting
Dave’s issues with AI shatbots and the limits of AI in copywriting
How a lackluster acronym led to one of Dave’s favorite brand taglines
The real-world insights that led to surprisingly punchy (and funny) B2B headlines for a speakerphone brand
An American phrase that has inexplicably made its way into British business discussions